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ALL POSTSTop 10 Lists Will Be Retired on February 14th 
<p>Hello. On the 14th of February, Fandom will be removing the Top 10 List feature from our wikis.
</p><p>The removal of the feature will mean that existing Top 10 Lists will be deleted from your communities and be irretrievable. Last week, I shared this news with communities who have at least 10 lists, to give them extra time to decide if/how to move any lists to some other space on their wikis. I am also posting here to ensure that everyone is aware of the change and given some time to make a decision about keeping or removing the content.
</p><p>Any time we consider removing a feature, we have to look at how widely it's being used and if that justifies the cost of fixing and maintaining it. In this case, Top 10 Lists are not widely used by our wikis, with only a couple thousand being created in the five years we’ve had this feature. That may sound like a lot, but consider that Fandom has over 340,000 communities. Additionally, many of the special features Top 10 Lists had, such as voting, ranking, and the list creation form, were prone to breaking due to older coding standards and would not have been easy to modernize considering the uniqueness of the feature.
</p><p>We decided we would rather invest our time and resources into newer content tools and repairing tools that can be more widely used. I’ll be happy to answer any questions you may have about this decision.
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(Edited by TimmyQuivy)
<div class="quote"><i>Speedit wrote:
Still, I tested it on a random wiki and it repeated the poll description in the article. There's some visual issues too - it placed vote buttons in one half-width column and squashed files of a certain width.</i></div>
<p>I'm confused by what you mean by the first sentence. Are you referring to the optional description about the list? As for the vote buttons, do they really need a larger space? </p><p>Squashed files? List choices could have an image with a width of your choosing (I believe up to the width of the choice box) or a height (not both apparently). Here's an example of images that appear squashed on purpose by having a fixed height, or smaller width. </p><p>Here's one of my favorite Top 10 lists, something a poll can't do and something that wouldn't look nice on a forum thread. This was a feature that was more unique for wikis that decided to use it (in the same nature as Maps). </p><p>Here's a great example of a potential poll that works better as a Top 10 list given the visual support. </p>
Still, I tested it on a random wiki and it repeated the poll description in the article. There's some visual issues too - it placed vote buttons in one half-width column and squashed files of a certain width.</i></div>
<p>I'm confused by what you mean by the first sentence. Are you referring to the optional description about the list? As for the vote buttons, do they really need a larger space? </p><p>Squashed files? List choices could have an image with a width of your choosing (I believe up to the width of the choice box) or a height (not both apparently). Here's an example of images that appear squashed on purpose by having a fixed height, or smaller width. </p><p>Here's one of my favorite Top 10 lists, something a poll can't do and something that wouldn't look nice on a forum thread. This was a feature that was more unique for wikis that decided to use it (in the same nature as Maps). </p><p>Here's a great example of a potential poll that works better as a Top 10 list given the visual support. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>DaNASCAT wrote:
Hello. On the 14th of February, Fandom will be removing the Top 10 List feature from our wikis. <p>The removal of the feature will mean that existing Top 10 Lists will be deleted from your communities and be irretrievable. Last week, I shared this news with communities who have at least 10 lists, to give them extra time to decide if/how to move any lists to some other space on their wikis. I am also posting here to ensure that everyone is aware of the change and given some time to make a decision about keeping or removing the content. </p><p>Any time we consider removing a feature, we have to look at how widely it's being used and if that justifies the cost of fixing and maintaining it. In this case, Top 10 Lists are not widely used by our wikis, with only a couple thousand being created in the five years we’ve had this feature. That may sound like a lot, but consider that Fandom has over 340,000 communities. Additionally, many of the special features Top 10 Lists had, such as voting, ranking, and the list creation form, were prone to breaking due to older coding standards and would not have been easy to modernize considering the uniqueness of the feature. </p><p>We decided we would rather invest our time and resources into newer content tools and repairing tools that can be more widely used. I’ll be happy to answer any questions you may have about this decision. </p> </i></div>
<figure class="article-thumb tleft show-info-icon" style="width: 120px">
<figcaption> <p class="caption">No, really, I'm using it for my wiki... PLEASE KEEP IT. Note: not mad.</p> </figcaption></figure>
Hello. On the 14th of February, Fandom will be removing the Top 10 List feature from our wikis. <p>The removal of the feature will mean that existing Top 10 Lists will be deleted from your communities and be irretrievable. Last week, I shared this news with communities who have at least 10 lists, to give them extra time to decide if/how to move any lists to some other space on their wikis. I am also posting here to ensure that everyone is aware of the change and given some time to make a decision about keeping or removing the content. </p><p>Any time we consider removing a feature, we have to look at how widely it's being used and if that justifies the cost of fixing and maintaining it. In this case, Top 10 Lists are not widely used by our wikis, with only a couple thousand being created in the five years we’ve had this feature. That may sound like a lot, but consider that Fandom has over 340,000 communities. Additionally, many of the special features Top 10 Lists had, such as voting, ranking, and the list creation form, were prone to breaking due to older coding standards and would not have been easy to modernize considering the uniqueness of the feature. </p><p>We decided we would rather invest our time and resources into newer content tools and repairing tools that can be more widely used. I’ll be happy to answer any questions you may have about this decision. </p> </i></div>
<figure class="article-thumb tleft show-info-icon" style="width: 120px">
<figcaption> <p class="caption">No, really, I'm using it for my wiki... PLEASE KEEP IT. Note: not mad.</p> </figcaption></figure>(Edited by MrYokaiAndWatch902)
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<p>DEmersonJMFM wrote:
I'm confused by what you mean by the first sentence. Are you referring to the optional description about the list? As for the vote buttons, do they really need a larger space? </p><p>Squashed files? List choices could have an image with a width of your choosing (I believe up to the width of the choice box) or a height (not both apparently). Here's an example of images that appear squashed on purpose by having a fixed height, or smaller width. </p><p>Here's one of my favorite Top 10 lists, something a poll can't do and something that wouldn't look nice on a forum thread. This was a feature that was more unique for wikis that decided to use it (in the same nature as Maps). </p><p>Here's a great example of a potential poll that works better as a Top 10 list given the visual support. </p> </i></div>
<p>Yes, the optional description. Also, I saw some strange behaviour with the image. But I'm not too sure. </p><p>Woah, those lists are well-promoted and look really good. There's room for polls to step up in that direction and get more functionality. </p><p>I didn't realize that it was possible to change the widths of files on my own, nice. And for what it's worth, it takes a couple seconds for polls to be votable. </p>
I'm confused by what you mean by the first sentence. Are you referring to the optional description about the list? As for the vote buttons, do they really need a larger space? </p><p>Squashed files? List choices could have an image with a width of your choosing (I believe up to the width of the choice box) or a height (not both apparently). Here's an example of images that appear squashed on purpose by having a fixed height, or smaller width. </p><p>Here's one of my favorite Top 10 lists, something a poll can't do and something that wouldn't look nice on a forum thread. This was a feature that was more unique for wikis that decided to use it (in the same nature as Maps). </p><p>Here's a great example of a potential poll that works better as a Top 10 list given the visual support. </p> </i></div>
<p>Yes, the optional description. Also, I saw some strange behaviour with the image. But I'm not too sure. </p><p>Woah, those lists are well-promoted and look really good. There's room for polls to step up in that direction and get more functionality. </p><p>I didn't realize that it was possible to change the widths of files on my own, nice. And for what it's worth, it takes a couple seconds for polls to be votable. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Speedit wrote:
<div class="quote"> <p>DEmersonJMFM wrote:
I'm confused by what you mean by the first sentence. Are you referring to the optional description about the list? As for the vote buttons, do they really need a larger space? </p><p>Squashed files? List choices could have an image with a width of your choosing (I believe up to the width of the choice box) or a height (not both apparently). Here's an example of images that appear squashed on purpose by having a fixed height, or smaller width. </p><p>Here's one of my favorite Top 10 lists, something a poll can't do and something that wouldn't look nice on a forum thread. This was a feature that was more unique for wikis that decided to use it (in the same nature as Maps). </p><p>Here's a great example of a potential poll that works better as a Top 10 list given the visual support. </p> </i></div>
Yes, the optional description. Also, I saw some strange behaviour with the image. But I'm not too sure. <p>Woah, those lists are well-promoted and look really good. There's room for polls to step up in that direction and get more functionality. </p><p>I didn't realize that it was possible to change the widths of files on my own, nice. And for what it's worth, it takes a couple seconds for polls to be votable. </p> </div> <figure class="article-thumb tleft show-info-icon" style="width: 120px"> <figcaption> <p class="caption">You mean this? Oh. I enabled it for I think my new Amazinger Battle Creatures wiki...</p> </figcaption></figure>
<div class="quote"> <p>DEmersonJMFM wrote:
I'm confused by what you mean by the first sentence. Are you referring to the optional description about the list? As for the vote buttons, do they really need a larger space? </p><p>Squashed files? List choices could have an image with a width of your choosing (I believe up to the width of the choice box) or a height (not both apparently). Here's an example of images that appear squashed on purpose by having a fixed height, or smaller width. </p><p>Here's one of my favorite Top 10 lists, something a poll can't do and something that wouldn't look nice on a forum thread. This was a feature that was more unique for wikis that decided to use it (in the same nature as Maps). </p><p>Here's a great example of a potential poll that works better as a Top 10 list given the visual support. </p> </i></div>
Yes, the optional description. Also, I saw some strange behaviour with the image. But I'm not too sure. <p>Woah, those lists are well-promoted and look really good. There's room for polls to step up in that direction and get more functionality. </p><p>I didn't realize that it was possible to change the widths of files on my own, nice. And for what it's worth, it takes a couple seconds for polls to be votable. </p> </div> <figure class="article-thumb tleft show-info-icon" style="width: 120px">
<figcaption> <p class="caption">You mean this? Oh. I enabled it for I think my new Amazinger Battle Creatures wiki...</p> </figcaption></figure>(Edited by MrYokaiAndWatch902)
<div class="quote"><i>Speedit wrote:
Woah, those lists are well-promoted and look really good. There's room for polls to step up in that direction and get more functionality.</i></div>
<p>Thank you. Some of these lists have been on the wiki since the feature was first released and have been linked to from the home page and wiki navigation for the last two or three years after I <i>edited them</i> to look even better. I don't like to see wiki history being removed in such a disgraceful manner. <del>I may take screenshots of the more important polls and archive them? Haven't decided.</del> Went ahead and created a single file of the five most voted Top 10 lists. </p><p>Considering the potential work on a Discussions poll, I doubt any time's going to be spent into improving the tag. </p>
Woah, those lists are well-promoted and look really good. There's room for polls to step up in that direction and get more functionality.</i></div>
<p>Thank you. Some of these lists have been on the wiki since the feature was first released and have been linked to from the home page and wiki navigation for the last two or three years after I <i>edited them</i> to look even better. I don't like to see wiki history being removed in such a disgraceful manner. <del>I may take screenshots of the more important polls and archive them? Haven't decided.</del> Went ahead and created a single file of the five most voted Top 10 lists. </p><p>Considering the potential work on a Discussions poll, I doubt any time's going to be spent into improving the tag. </p>
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OMG
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<p>Oh no ;-;
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I think Wiki Staff should shut down this thread already.
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yeah :l
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<p>Hello,
</p><p>I am going to go ahead and shut down this thread. It does appear the communication goal has been completed. We understand removing a feature is never popular. However, I think it's best I stress a few things to correct some incorrect assertions others have made on this thread.
</p><p>Yes, Fandom has 340,000+ communities, many of which are small and rarely edited. However, wikis that are simply created and never/barely ever edited are automatically closed to help with our storage and scale capabilities. To imply that the <i>vast</i> majority of our wikis are just one page, empty wikis is incorrect.
</p><p>To imply that 20-60% of our most active communities use this feature is incorrect. Approximately 150 wikis across all language groups had an all-time total of 10 lists or more and still had the feature enabled on their wikis. I personally communicated with most of these wikis (others helped me with the remainder) - only two of them implied to me they would attempt to save the content. More might have, but at no point did I feel significant pushback from any of the on-wiki communication I did.
</p><p>In January 2017, in our database, I see only 33 lists in total were created on Fandom. While every edit is important, it is essential to use data-driven information to make decisions.
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