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Why is the history subdivided by religion?
[edit]Why is the history subdivided by religion? I don't see articles of other ethnic groups or castes doing this. The Hindu, Muslim, Sikh divide should only be relevant when talking about religion. Otherwise, you should state the general history in chronological order, and let those curious about more details see the respective Muslim Jat and Sikh Jat page. A Hindu Jat page should also be made by that logic. Justthereply30 (talk) 07:41, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
- Yea, Hindu Jats deserve their own page. Right now, there is only content on Brajwasi Jats (without information on how they supported the faith in historically religiously-significant Mathura area). No details on Bishnoi Jats, or much of anything of Rajasthan or Haryana in general (except brief mention of Jangladesh). There is no talk of the major impact that Arya Samaj had on the Jats (there was a legitimate movement of Jats advocating for converting to Sikhism to escape Shudra status, so Dayananda Saraswati promised to advocate for them to be accepted as Kshatriya). There's also major Hindu figures like Tejaji, and he didn't even get a passing mention. Jiasu8d (talk) 02:36, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
- I agree, but you will have to bring this to an admin. Justthereply30 (talk) 05:27, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
- Also we miss a lot of nuance if we accept this Partition-affirming approach. For example, the rise of cults like Sultanism which were popular across religious lines. Or how some Punjabi Muslim Jats kept Purohits for ceremonial rites. Or how Hindu and Sikh Jats often intermixed, both on state-level (Jind Sikh princess marrying Ballabgarh Hindu prince) and common-level (Pacchade Sikhs mixing with Deshwali Hindus). Jiasu8d (talk) 02:47, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
- You should note the sources for these. I also heard similar things but Wikipedia needs verifiable source to make claims. Then we can add this. Justthereply30 (talk) 05:27, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
- To be honest there are some genetic differences between Muslim "Jutts" and Hindu/Sikh Jats, so it's not completely baseless. Even if you look at Muslim Jat#Demographics, it mentions how diverse the origins are. Exceptions exist for a few clans though. YaudheyanChariot932 (talk) 17:11, 14 June 2026 (UTC)
- no there no difference in between muslim or hindu or sikh jat, all are jats. ~2026-39230-59 (talk) 23:00, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
- @~2026-39230-59 - That’s not much of a refutation. MaplesyrupSushi (talk) 00:17, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
- I mean there is a lot of crossover between Muslim and Sikh Jat, and also genetics is not the only criteria for identity. Jats did set up religiously-motivated militias closer to Partition (sources on the page), but there were also (admittedly rare) cases during the peak of Partition violence where they recognized their shared identity.[1] So I don't think history should be subdivided like this (especially between Sikh and Hindu Jats). Khlai39 (talk) 05:30, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
- @~2026-39230-59 - That’s not much of a refutation. MaplesyrupSushi (talk) 00:17, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
- totaly wrong ~2026-42952-95 (talk) 03:09, 5 August 2026 (UTC)
- no there no difference in between muslim or hindu or sikh jat, all are jats. ~2026-39230-59 (talk) 23:00, 10 July 2026 (UTC)
Edit request 2 June 2026 - Women in Jat society
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A lot of information is not included in this section, so I want to add it:
Historically, Jat women were expected to abide by the rules of their Khap, which governed much of the social life of Jat society. In the modern day, many of these Khaps have come under scrutiny for their male-centric structure and rules.[2][3] However, many Khap leaders now promote social progress in Jat society, such as supporting girls' education.[4][5][6]
In some cases, Jat women were recorded to be observing purdah. The Bamraulia Jat chief of Gohad State reportedly identified as Kshatriya, and consequently considered it a duty for his women to observe purdah.[7]
During the colonial period, the Hindu Jats were one of the many communities which were practicing female infanticide. As a result, there was a sex-ratio imbalance between women and men.[8][9] This imbalance left some Jats to resort to purchasing brides from neighboring (including non-Jat) communities, or adopting adelphic polyandry and having multiple brothers share one wife. This was typically done by poor men who sought to preserve what little was left of their family's land holdings. Both bride purchasing and adelphic polyandry is still practised by some Jats in Indian Punjab and Haryana.[10][11]
~2026-32753-28 (talk) 07:43, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
References
- ↑ Chattha, Ilyas (2011). Partition and Locality: Violence, Migration, and Development in Gujranwala and Sialkot, 1947-1961. Oxford University Press. p. 128. ISBN 9780199061723.
G.D. Khosla, in his account Stern Reckoning writes, that in a village Chak Ghazi in Gujranwala district two Jat Muslims, Fateh Mohammad Lambardar and Mian Rehmat Khan, 'escorted' the Hindu and Sikh Jats safely to the Akalgarh refugee camp. During my fieldwork, I went to visit the village and interviewed Fateh Mohammad Lambardar, who was twenty-five at the time of Partition. He...[confirmed the] information... suggest[ing] that ethnic ties even in these circumstances could cut across religious identity...
- ↑ Chowdhry, Prem (2004). "Caste panchayats and the policing of marriage in Haryana: Enforcing kinship and territorial exogamy". Contributions to Indian Sociology. 38 (1–2): 1–42. doi:10.1177/006996670403800102. S2CID 144104737.
- ↑ Ellis, Desmond; Stuckless, Noreen; Smith, Carrie (2015). Marital Separation and Lethal Domestic Violence. Routledge. p. 77. ISBN 978-1-31752-213-3.
- ↑ "Khap Panchayats 'A Useful Instrument Of Society': Haryana Chief Minister". www.ndtv.com. Retrieved 2025-05-26.
- ↑ Bajwa, Harpreet (16 August 2015). "Khap Panchayats Root for Educated Leaders". New Indian Express. Archived from the original on 21 August 2015.
- ↑ Siwach, Sukhbir (13 June 2014). "Haryana khaps launch campaign for girls' education".
- ↑ Sarkar, Jadunath (1955). House of Shivaji (3rd ed.). Orien Longman, New Delhi. p. 301.
The Rana of Gohad was scornfully asked by Col. Camac and other English allies in their camp at Sesai (south of Gwalior), "What has your Mahadji Sindhia done that you praise him so highly ?' The Rana (who was then fighting against Sindhia) replied, "Mahadji is no ordinary man; he has restored the Emperor to his throne in Delhi, and his wife rides out to battle." Camac asked, "Do not your wives ride out ?" The Jat chief replied, "No. We are Kshatriyas, we observe parda' [Bodleian Library, Persian manuscript.]
- ↑ VISHWANATH, L. S. (1994). "Towards a Conceptual Understanding of Female Infanticide and Neglect in Colonial India". Proceedings of the Indian History Congress. 55: 606–613. ISSN 2249-1937. JSTOR 44143417.
By 1850, several castes, in North India, the Jats, Ahirs, Gujars and Khutris, and the Lewa Patidar Kanbis in Central Gujarat were found to practice female infanticide. The colonial authorities also found that both in rural North and West India, the castes which practiced female infanticide were propertied (they owned substantial arable land), had the hypergamous marriage norm and paid large dowries.
- ↑ Vishwanath, L. S. (2004). "Female Infanticide: The Colonial Experience". Economic and Political Weekly. 39 (22): 2313–2318. ISSN 0012-9976. JSTOR 4415098.
The 1921 census... provides figures from 1901 to 1921 to show that in Punjab, United Provinces and Rajputana castes such as... Hindu Jats... [had] 'a tradition' of female infanticide [and consequently] had a much lower number of females per thousand males compared to castes without such a tradition...
- ↑ Dhaliwal, Sarbjit. Bride-buying an old practice in north India, Tribune News Service, August 17, tribuneindia.com
- ↑ "Modern Draupadis exist in Mansa villages | India News - Times of India". The Times of India. 2 April 2011.
Done: I created a new subsection at the top of the "Culture and society" section, as it seems this information is more general than the content in the "Female infanticide and status of woman in society" subsection. Newbzy (talk) 09:01, 23 July 2026 (UTC)
Request update on the religion
[edit]Hello, there is issue with the religion section that it is claiming that Jat ancestor-worship is called Jathera, but this is just general term for ancestor-worship in Punjab and Bagar tract (where Jand trees are). See this one: Folk_practices_in_Punjab#Punjabi_ancestral_worship.
Outside this area then the Jat Hindus will have Kul Devtas which might have traces of Jathera practice, but it is common in all Hindu castes. In Sikhism they have Samadhis. In Islam sometime they use Sufi Durga too. ~2026-43838-87 (talk) 06:28, 10 August 2026 (UTC)
Edit request 1 September 2026
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Description of suggested change: It seems to me that the description of Jats as being a "caste" is not entirely accurate. For one thing there are Muslim and Sikh Jats, and those religions do not recognize caste. I think a better description would be "patrilineal descent community. A person is a Jat if that person's father is or was a Jat. A person having a Jat father is expected by other Jats to accept membership in a rule based community subject to the decision making authority of a governing body."
I am making this suggestion, because as a westerner I was flummoxed and baffled by the term "Jat." - "What is it???" I asked myself. They can be Hindu, Muslim or Sikh and they can speak any one of a few different languages. We do not have any really analogous groups in western society, so it was so puzzling. So, the above in quotes is my idea of a definition, but....please feel free to edit. But...please, let's not call them a "caste," because with Muslim and Sikh Jats that really makes no sense and I understand that Hindu Jats may be classified into different castes.
Thinknow2 (talk) 02:17, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
- Most academia says they are a caste, though not exactly a strictly occupation-based one since they can range from farmers and soldiers to zamindars and kings. Feel free to bring sources which mention that they are also called other things (tribe, ethnicity, community, etc). Khlai39 (talk) 05:17, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
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Thinknow2 (talk) 02:17, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
Not done: On Wikipedia we use terms that are in common use rather than coining our own. The vast majority of Indians from all religious groups identify with a caste, not just Hindus. Day Creature (talk) 02:46, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 September 2026
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Actual request : in the clans section of sau(सऊ)/Sahu alsonhave to there Source:https://www.jatland.com/home/Sahu Chull&khujali (talk) 05:45, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please detail the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Day Creature (talk) 17:23, 11 September 2026 (UTC)- Jatland is user-generated content and not reliable. MaplesyrupSushi (talk) 18:28, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
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