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dyk

Hey, Epicgenius! So here's the thing about dyk: if you haven't created preps, you have no idea what prep-setters and admins at dyk do or what challenges they face. Many editors who are regular nominators and reviewers think they'd be willing to admin, but have never filled preps, and when they become admins and start moving preps to queues, they quickly realize they didn't know what they were volunteering for. A prep-setter doesn't just create a balanced set. They also do a quick re-review on many of the hooks; you get to know whose hooks you don't have to review too heavily, but you always have to at least go check for a recent edit war or tags. If the nominator or the reviewer are new or known to be sloppy, you'll have to do a full re-review of that hook. Often prep-setters have questions they have to ask at the hook, and they deal with pushback from noms/reviewers/passersby for that. Then once you've finished a prep you have to deal with fallout at DYK talk and ERRORS. Admins do the exact same thing -- a re-review, because prep-setters miss things too, then the move (fairly simple), posting questions at DYK talk and pinging involved parties, dealing with pushback from them, and finally any fallout at ERRORS when someone finds an error you missed. So if you think you would be willing to admin at dyk, definitely go fill preps for a while to see if you like it or not. Some people love it -- I did, and I like adminning there -- but not everyone is cut out for it. It's a high-visibility job. People catch your mistakes, and the only way to prevent that is to catch other people's mistakes first. —valereee (talk) 15:20, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Valereee, thanks for the advice. That is good to know. I think this sort of stuff should be enjoyable for me, even if a bit difficult. I just read the project page on prep areas, and it seems a bit difficult to get a good balance on hooks. epicgenius (talk) 15:23, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

That's one of the most fun parts of setting preps. The thing to do for your first prep is pick the bottom empty set (which right now gives you three days to fill it but normally six days.) Count to figure out whether the image hook needs a bio or a non-bio (it alternates by day). Go find one, vet it, and transfer it. That'll let the other prep setters know you'll fill that set. Not that they or an admin won't move stuff in and out if they need it or think another set is better for that hook, but in general one prep-setter works on a set. Then start putting the puzzle together -- no more than four bios (alternating in the set with non-bio), no more than one music/science/military/whatever subject. Not too many from any one country, though 2 - 4 USA hooks will be necessary. A balance of geographical area, not all from English-speaking countries. A balance of long and short. And of course a quirky. It's an art. Don't be afraid to trim or tweak hooks, but read the nom first if you do, as there may have already been discussion. Keep on top of talk in case someone asks a question about one of the hooks in that set, because some people won't realize they need to ping you as the promoter. :) Ping me any time, and Yoninah will often leave pointers on how to improve at your talk. When she stops, you know you're getting near the point of competence. :) —valereee (talk) 15:47, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

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Subway articles

Once again, very impressive work on very important station complex and line articles. There is more to be added about the change in BMT plans re:Canal Street. Eventually, Clark Street Tunnel should be its own article. Also, the citations for IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line are really messed up and include self-published sources like nycsubway.org, and there is more history that could be added. A lot of my older GA nominations should be looked at again for things like this. Also, for Union Square, it is worth mentioning the impromptu 9/11 memorial, and the post-2016 election post-it notes (https://mashable.com/article/power-of-post-it-note-protest-subway-therapy, https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/post-it-notes-left-union-square-election-preserved-article-1.2913344, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/12/19/post-election-subway-therapy-sticky-notes-taken-down-but-not-thrown-out/, https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/nyregion/subway-election-therapy-wall-sticky-notes.html). Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kew Gardens 613, the pleasure is mine. I do agree that the Clark Street Tunnel should get its own page in the future. I've also noticed that there's a lot more that can be said about the Broadway-Seventh Avenue Line, especially its construction, and will have to work on it gradually. The biggest mess, though, is the Canal Street article - there are a lot of details about the BMT station that are just not mentioned at the moment, and the article in general needs more refs.

As for the Union Square station, the article already mentions both the 9/11 memorial and the post-it wall (the second paragraph of 14th Street–Union Square station#Artwork). I thought one paragraph would be sufficient, seeing as how the artwork was not sanctioned by the MTA but seems to be covered by multiple reliable sources. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:38, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

I fully agree. I missed it somehow. Don't forget the Stantec studies, like the one that found making Clark Street accessible was infeasible, and which provides some sourcing for station layout (i.e. platform length/width). Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:17, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

It also is probably worth mentioning the 1990 fire in the Clark Street article. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:30, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree and can get around to that soon. In the meantime, I was looking at the study for Union Square, which says: This technology does not meet ADA standards, and since there is currently no technology that does, there is no fully accessible solution for the southbound platform. We are including an option for providing elevator service to this platform in this report with the understanding that this will not provide a fully accessible solution at this time. So I suppose this means the southbound platform can get an elevator, it just won't be ADA-accessible because gap fillers, by their very nature, are ADA-inaccessible. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:47, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah. Also, unrelated, but the 1990 Clark Street Tunnel fire was very notable, and there were major reports done on fire safety/communication, etc. in its aftermath. It would warrant an article of its own. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:06, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

I also think the 1990 Clark Street fire should get its own article. (I think the fire happened just east of the Clark Street station, though, not in the tunnel under the river.) In terms of recent NYC Subway disasters, the fire has had at least as much of an impact as the 1991 Union Square derailment or the 1995 Williamsburg Bridge subway collision did. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:11, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Also-the provisions in the Eastern Parkway Line used for the Clark Street Tunnel connection were initially intended for a line over the Manhattan Bridge. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:27, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

That is interesting. If we can find a reliable source for this, I could add it to the Borough Hall or Eastern Parkway Line articles. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:35, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

I have seen reliable sources for this-if you cannot find them, I can look for them after I get my final paper for the semester done today. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:49, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

I started a draft Clark Street Tunnel article here: User:Kew Gardens 613/sandbox 7#Clark Street Tunnel. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Have you seen this article before? Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:53, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kew Gardens 613, I have, but thanks for clipping it. The first part of that source seems to largely duplicate the New York Herald Tribune ref that's already in the Fulton Street station article. But it has some info that isn't mentioned in the NYHT source, specifically the 535-foot length of the station. The second part of the source could be used for the Broad Street station article though. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Outstanding work on the article. We really shouldn't be using The Station Reporter as a source. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:44, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

There is stuff to be added about flooding/water intrusion problems at Canal. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 17:52, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

There was a report put out. I found two articles I had clipped (https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-new-york-times/98305321/, https://www.newspapers.com/article/times-union/99774843/) Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 17:57, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree. I've noticed quite a bit of info about how Canal Street's proximity to the old Collect Pond contributed to tons of water problems there. I can add these sources in later. – Epicgenius (talk) 18:04, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

It was a paper, not a report. I haven't found it online. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:14, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I found it. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:18, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

This journal is a great source for construction details. I found one article with details on underpinning and other aspects of subway construction from 1919, one on sewer siphons, SI transportation, and Columbus Circle construction Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:40, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

That's very interesting. I might have to look through this journal to, um, shore up some architectural articles as well. That Canal Street article was really detailed, and I expect the others will be no different. – Epicgenius (talk) 18:46, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Also one on train dispatching, the Manhattan Bridge Plaza, and the ENY tunnel Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:57, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for spamming here, but also Joralemon, and here, excavation, the Atlantic Av improvement, and Brighton Line improvements Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:08, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

No problem. I will just add all these links to a subsection of User:Epicgenius/sandbox/to do, where we can both track it easily. – Epicgenius (talk) 21:59, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Signaling, car design, and ventilation, and IRT track design as well Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:47, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

There is this thorough masterpiece on Dual Contracts construction. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:15, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Bumping thread for 30 days. Epicgenius (talk) 22:32, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Bumping thread for 60 days. Epicgenius (talk) 16:30, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Bumping thread for 360 days. Epicgenius (talk) 17:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC) – Epicgenius (talk) 17:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@Kew Gardens 613, by the way, we might want to flesh out User:Epicgenius/sandbox/article-draft1, my sandbox on the Manhattan Bridge subway closure. I'm planning to bring the Manhattan Bridge article to GA, which will probably require condensing the Manhattan Bridge#Trackage history section, and the closures are a notable topic that I've been meaning to finish writing about for a while. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:12, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

@Epicgenius I have been very busy, but, when I have a chance, will try to get back to this. Amazing work on all the bridge articles. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 13:17, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

The 2025-2029 Capital Program recently came out. Some articles may need to be updated to reflect this. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:42, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Updating the complex articles (since they are all extremely short)

1 World Trade Center

• Needs history section
• Needs design section, which I will write shortly
• Needs destruction section
• "List of tenants" may need to be split to a separate article due to length
• "92nd Floor" section needs removed and incorporated into above "Destruction" section

2 World Trade Center

• Needs history section
• Needs design section
• Needs destruction section
• Potentially needs rewrite, after reading it I spotted a few errors

3 World Trade Center

• Actually has a history section, but needs expanded
• Rewrite Destruction section
• May need a "design" section

4 World Trade Center

• Has history and destruction sections
• Both need expanded
• More images needed

5 World Trade Center

• Half of the article is about 9/11, meaning half of the article is about 1 day when the structure existed for 31 years
• Needs a design section
• Either the gallery section needs removed or expanded to comply with MOS, it's currently just 3 images chilling around

7 World Trade Center

• Needs architecture section
• Needs more history pre-2001
• The destruction section may need to be summarized per WP:SUMSTYLE

I added the above subheaders just in case we need a list of things to do. :) Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 16:36, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

@Sir MemeGod: Thanks for starting this section. I might move this to User:Epicgenius/sandbox/to do when we're done figuring out what to do (since idk where else to put it). Epicgenius (talk) 16:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

By the way, Construction of the World Trade Center has some info about the Twin Towers' structural design, so we can copy some of the relevant info into these articles. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:46, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

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NYS place naming sanity check

Hey Epic, long time no chat but I hope all is well. I've encountered another fairly confusing set of New York articles:

• Silver Lake, Wyoming County, New York - about "a hamlet in Wyoming County, New York, United States", but largely containing information about the broader lake
• Silver Lake (Wyoming County, New York) - about "Lake in Wyoming County, New York, United States", but containing very little information about the lake itself
• Silver Lake Institute Historic District

The first problem is that we have two articles with functionally the same title, and the second is that as best I can tell, there is no actual hamlet of "Silver Lake". The hamlet, such as it is, is really known as "Silver Lake Institute" - from the NRHP nomination form: "The Silver Lake Institute Historic District, located in the town of Castile in eastern Wyoming County, encompasses the historic core of the Silver Lake Institute, a small, summer resort community on the eastern shore of Silver Lake." (p2). On the other hand, GNIS does have a record for a populated place named "silver lake" and there is a Silver Lake post office, but it doesn't even appear to be a CDP in 2016. My inclination would be to move Silver Lake Institute Historic District to Silver Lake Institute, and make it about the community, and then combine the other two into one article about the lake. Not sure if that's the best course of action though, especially given i.e. the PO. Wondering if you had any suggestions about a more elegant solution here? Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 11:19, 6 August 2026 (UTC)

Hey Eddie891, good to see you again as well. Last time we talked must have been months ago I would say that there should be two articles - one about the settlement and one about the lake, since there really isn't a distinction between the district and the "hamlet" (if it even exists). I agree that the district should be moved to just Silver Lake Institute. We have plenty of historic district articles, such as Audubon Terrace or West 67th Street Artists' Colony, which are at their WP:COMMONNAME but which have "Historic District" appended to the NRHP listing name.

As for what to do about the hamlet, I think the content of the hamlet page, Silver Lake, Wyoming County, New York, should really be merged into the remaining pages: Silver Lake (Wyoming County, New York) about the lake, and Silver Lake Institute about the district. The infobox, post office info, etc. can go into the Institute article, and the remaining info can go into the lake article. It does seem a little confusing to have two different topics disambiguated only by punctuation, which might be why the info that should be in the lake (parentheses) article is in the hamlet (comma) article. Epicgenius (talk) 13:12, 6 August 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the response! Yes, it’s been a while- life got quite busy for me recently (mostly good things, so can’t complain too much). I think that makes sense, and will probably make the changes shortly. I am also hoping to expand the article on the Institute/Community (super interesting history!) which should help clear things up further. I think part of the problem is that for a long time the article on the Hamlet also covered the lake, and a few years ago, a user came through making lots of very low quality articles on geographical features upstate, hence the underdeveloped now separate article on the lake. Will do my best to clean it up! Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 14:13, 6 August 2026 (UTC)

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Quick request

Sorry to bother you, but since you're experienced with improving articles about buildings and structures, would you mind taking a look at a current discussion regarding one of my DYK's at Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors? The others involved seem to have abandoned it. Furthermore, the hook that one administrator replaced it with is a clear violation of DYK guidelines as too broad. Bneu2013 (talk) 23:04, 7 August 2026 (UTC)

@Bneu2013, thanks for letting me know. I've had a look at the discussion. "Most structures...were still being constructed out of wood" != "This one is among the first in the US to use structural iron". It may well be the case that other buildings were using structural iron well before the Tennessee State Capitol was built. That being said, this source does say "The Tennessee State Capitol was one of the first buildings in the nation with structural iron roof trusses", so I'll comment that. However, I don't feel comfortable reinstating the original hook on my own, as there were valid issues raised with that hook. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:21, 7 August 2026 (UTC)

The sources say it was one of the first, not the first. But the source also does refer to iron as a structural element as "new". So it had to be one of the first. This would be like saying someone who visited the Empire State Building the day after it opened to the public was "one of the first persons to ever visit the Empire State Building", but not the first. Bneu2013 (talk) 23:31, 7 August 2026 (UTC)

@Bneu2013, that may be correct, but DYK also requires that the source make the hook fact more-or-less explicit. A more apt comparison in this case would be like if you said during the Empire State Building's first year of operation (but not within the first few months) that someone was among the first people to visit it. That may be technically correct, but it would be less correct than saying a second-day visitor was one of its first visitors. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:36, 7 August 2026 (UTC)

Actually, it looks like TS69 has indeed restored the original hook here. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:38, 7 August 2026 (UTC)

I hope you'll agree that the text in the article does explicitly (but not word-for-word) verify the text. I also did go to an extent to choose language that avoided OR and synth. For example, I think there is a chance it may be the first building in the US to use wrought-iron trusses, but I couldn't verify that. Bneu2013 (talk) 23:57, 7 August 2026 (UTC)

Yeah, the ASCE source does verify the text. I haven't looked at the others, though. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:59, 7 August 2026 (UTC)

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