Question: SBS 3d on a 3d TV possible?

[oblitum]

Hi. I wonder whether it's possible to have SBS 3d without having VR headset device? I just have an old 3d TV and glasses. I noticed from logs and wiki seems to imply that stl will always check the presence of a HMD when RUNSBSVR or SBSVRRS is 1?

The wiki mentions it's possible to launch Vk3DVision, but it's confusing whether it's able to work and provide SBS 3D or just launch without errors but not functioning.

[frostworx]

hi,
it shouldn't be too complicated to enable SBS without depending on VR. I'll check that.
No, last time I tried, Vk3dVision was not working via Proton. I only added it to the wiki as further solutions which possibly could be added later:
other implementations which hopefully do work one day using Linux/Proton

[oblitum]

it shouldn't be too complicated to enable SBS without depending on VR. I'll check that.

I'm eager to try :)

[frostworx]

just gave it a quick look what needs to be done to make SBS working without vr.

Just to be sure, that we are talking about the same:
steamtinkerlaunch does no additional tricks to get the games with native SBS (see wiki) working in VR - it just enables all VR stuff, automatically picks their game window and draws that window using vr-video-player in vr.

So the only thing I can do is adding non-vr support for Playing games in Stereo3D using ReShade and Depth3D shader
If this is it what you want, this should be implemented very quickly.

Would be nice if you'd try it, by
commenting out export RUNSBSVR=1 here and then enabling SBSVRRS in the corresponding game config (or simply by adding the game to a ReShadeVR Steam-Category)

If it works as expected I'd simply duplicate the SBSVRRS option to SBSRS with the required changes.

[frostworx]

whoops,. forgot to mention that I added SBSRS support in this commit (untested)

[oblitum]

I'm about to recompile the project and test this out now if life does not interrupt me at the moment. So, can you state what exactly I should do to try this, just set SBSRS to 1 is it? Okay. Also, about

steamtinkerlaunch does no additional tricks to get the games with native SBS (see wiki) working in VR

I'm a little confused on this thing. I have a few old games that have this native SBS support, like, I have all Trines. It worked when I still used a Windows partition long time ago, I'm now just all into Proton. Okay, thing is, in Trine in Proton, this SBS 3D section has always been inactive on Linux. I have a GTX 1080TI with latest closed source drivers on Arch Linux. Will steamtinkerlaunch make something that will make this in-game SBS 3D settings page active? Is this what that section on Wiki is about? Or does this ReShade + Depth3D thing will kinda fake SBS regardless whether that section of the game is activated or not. Also, can it work on a game that doesn't come with such built in 3D settings page, say, can I pick Doom (not Eternal, the previous one) and have it with SBS 3D, I'm asking this because the ReShade + Depth3D section in the wiki refer to SBS 3D working on "regular games", and it's not precisely clear whether that means any game or games that have had SBS 3D natively.

[frostworx]

there is nothing to recompile - steamtinkerlaunch is a bash script.
Depth3d is a SBS Shader. ReShade loads that shader automatically and renders every regular game in SBS with it.
steamtinkerlaunch just automated that process. I'm not going to explain the functionality of ReShade or Depth3d in detail though, because they have their own project pages. Any contribution to steamtinkerlaunch wikis are welcome of course.

For almost all games with native/builtin sbs support you need to use the windows versions using Proton - the linux native builds do not have sbs mode as you already found out (besides the few where explicitely linux support is mentioned in the wiki).

steamtinkerlaunch has multiple "settings override configs which you can find in https://github.com/frostworx/steamtinkerlaunch/tree/master/misc/sbstweaks.
using RUNSBSVR those are automatically loaded and the supported games should start supporting their internal sbs
as automatable as possible. Adding another RUNSBS option which loads those settings without VR shouldn't be a bigger problem.

[oblitum]

there is nothing to recompile - steamtinkerlaunch is a bash script.

Heh, sorry, I did notice that later (I'm just paru -Sing at the moment).

[frostworx]

yay -S paru up and running :)

[oblitum]

the linux native builds do not have sbs mode as you already found out (besides the few where explicitely linux support is mentioned in the wiki)

Okay. To avoid any confusion, on

this SBS 3D section has always been inactive on Linux

I meant just Proton games, and inactive sections in there (I know most native Linux games won't have it at all).

Let's see how it goes.

[frostworx]

wait a few minutes, atm I only added ReShade Depth3D support for you.
Just adding support for the native sbs games.

[oblitum]

I'm re-reading this to get it in detail, from your explanation I should SBSRS = 1 but that doesn't mean I will get "multiple settings override configs which you can find in misc/sbstweaks", so I'll start a game, say, Trine 2 or 3, or Doom, without any of such settings specific of such games (in cases there's any), for that I would need a RUNSBS that's still to be made.

[oblitum]

FWIW, my TV has a generic emulated 3D option, which I'm unsure whether it's gonna have the same effect as ReShade + Depth3D on a regular game. I tried it on Mario in yuzu, very faint effect...

[frostworx]

just pushed the new commit.
now current master has SBS support for

• regular games by using Reshade/Depth3D (can be enabled using SBSRS (=Stereo3D ReShade in the GAME MENU - Shader section)). Alternatively drop the game into a "ReShadeSBS" Steam category
• games with built-in SBS support (can be enabled using RUNSBS (=Stereo3D in the GAME MENU - Misc section)) Alternatively drop the game into a "SBS" Steam category

[oblitum]

I'm trying it out atm... well, nothing is working and I'm trying to figure out from logs what's going on. At first I'm trying SBSRS = 1 with DOOM. One important thing I guess for these window picking scripts is the window manager I'm using, and I use i3, and only have this one on my PC (I don't know how to use other stuff anymore). Do you know whether this works on i3? The most suspicious thing I'm hitting seems:

Mon Apr  4 06:01:45 PM -03 2022 INFO - updateWinRes - The Window 'SteamTinkerLaunch-OpenSettings' was closed - the resolution didn't change - nothing to do

So it seems for some reason resolution is not changing, and I dunno why. Can you state a relevant raw command I should try from command line to see error output or something? I'm checking source code anyway.

[oblitum]

It seems window picking is going fine on this test due:

Mon Apr  4 06:01:42 PM -03 2022 INFO - updateWinRes - Waiting for Window 'SteamTinkerLaunch-OpenSettings'
Mon Apr  4 06:01:43 PM -03 2022 INFO - updateWinRes - Window 'SteamTinkerLaunch-OpenSettings' is running - polling the resolution

On this last test, just to avoid any conflict at that, as soon as I launch the game on steam, I swap to an empty desktop so that just the game window alone shows up in it (and the steamtinkerlaunch windows, which seems the one being picked/polled above).

I have this in /dev/shm/steamtinkerlaunch/winres.log:

Mon Apr  4 06:01:42 PM -03 2022 INFO - pollWinRes - Using GEOM '--geometry=1920x1080+0+0' from '/home/francisco/.config/steamtinkerlaunch/guicfgs/1920x1080/379720/SteamTinkerLaunch-OpenSettings.conf'
Mon Apr  4 06:01:42 PM -03 2022 INFO - updateWinRes - Starting resolution-poll for '/home/francisco/.config/steamtinkerlaunch/guicfgs/1920x1080/379720/SteamTinkerLaunch-OpenSettings.conf' with incoming '1920x1080'
Mon Apr  4 06:01:42 PM -03 2022 INFO - updateWinRes - Waiting for Window 'SteamTinkerLaunch-OpenSettings'
Mon Apr  4 06:01:43 PM -03 2022 INFO - updateWinRes - Window 'SteamTinkerLaunch-OpenSettings' is running - polling the resolution
Mon Apr  4 06:01:45 PM -03 2022 INFO - updateWinRes - The Window 'SteamTinkerLaunch-OpenSettings' was closed - the resolution didn't change - nothing to do
Mon Apr  4 06:01:48 PM -03 2022 INFO - pollWinRes - Using GEOM '--geometry=929x1040+0+0' from '/home/francisco/.config/steamtinkerlaunch/guicfgs/1920x1080/379720/SteamTinkerLaunch-DownloadShadersStatus.conf'
Mon Apr  4 06:01:48 PM -03 2022 INFO - updateWinRes - Starting resolution-poll for '/home/francisco/.config/steamtinkerlaunch/guicfgs/1920x1080/379720/SteamTinkerLaunch-DownloadShadersStatus.conf' with incoming '929x1040'
Mon Apr  4 06:01:48 PM -03 2022 INFO - updateWinRes - Waiting for Window 'SteamTinkerLaunch-DownloadShadersStatus'
Mon Apr  4 06:01:49 PM -03 2022 INFO - pollWinRes - Using GEOM '--geometry=929x1040+0+0' from '/home/francisco/.config/steamtinkerlaunch/guicfgs/1920x1080/379720/SteamTinkerLaunch-DownloadCustomProtonStatus.conf'
Mon Apr  4 06:01:49 PM -03 2022 INFO - updateWinRes - Starting resolution-poll for '/home/francisco/.config/steamtinkerlaunch/guicfgs/1920x1080/379720/SteamTinkerLaunch-DownloadCustomProtonStatus.conf' with incoming '929x1040'
Mon Apr  4 06:01:49 PM -03 2022 INFO - updateWinRes - Waiting for Window 'SteamTinkerLaunch-DownloadCustomProtonStatus'
Mon Apr  4 06:01:49 PM -03 2022 INFO - updateWinRes - Waiting for Window 'SteamTinkerLaunch-DownloadShadersStatus'
Mon Apr  4 06:01:50 PM -03 2022 INFO - updateWinRes - Waiting for Window 'SteamTinkerLaunch-DownloadCustomProtonStatus'
Mon Apr  4 06:01:50 PM -03 2022 INFO - updateWinRes - Waiting for Window 'SteamTinkerLaunch-DownloadShadersStatus'
Mon Apr  4 06:01:51 PM -03 2022 INFO - updateWinRes - Waiting for Window 'SteamTinkerLaunch-DownloadCustomProtonStatus'
Mon Apr  4 06:01:51 PM -03 2022 SKIP - updateWinRes - Timeout waiting for Window 'SteamTinkerLaunch-DownloadShadersStatus'
Mon Apr  4 06:01:52 PM -03 2022 SKIP - updateWinRes - Timeout waiting for Window 'SteamTinkerLaunch-DownloadCustomProtonStatus'