A. A company does updates - users complain that it "breaks mods", and should be banned.
B. A company doesn't do updates - users complain that it's "abandonware".

Now, please, stop whining. Updates are a good thing, especially for 11 year old games. The mod developers are responsible for updating their mods accordingly. It's the nature of software, which is subject to change.

Originally posted by chakkman:

A. A company does updates - users complain that it "breaks mods", and should be banned.
B. A company doesn't do updates - users complain that it's "abandonware".

Now, please, stop whining. Updates are a good thing, especially for 11 year old games. The mod developers are responsible for updating their mods accordingly. It's the nature of software, which is subject to change.

Running defence for microtransactions should also be punishable by being put in the stockade for a week.

Games have been able to update like this without breaking mods for years btw, its literally deliberate on Bethesda's part to alter the game's internal hexcode in such a way it breaks mods. Thats why F4SE is always updated within an hour of every update. Its such an easy fix its literally as simple as not pressing the "break all mods" button when coding the update.

Originally posted by chakkman:

A. A company does updates - users complain that it "breaks mods", and should be banned.
B. A company doesn't do updates - users complain that it's "abandonware".

Now, please, stop whining. Updates are a good thing, especially for 11 year old games. The mod developers are responsible for updating their mods accordingly. It's the nature of software, which is subject to change.

Abandonware is the best type of software. It's the only type of software that can be legally downloaded for free and modified to our hearts content. Which is why people like Nintendo keep re-releasing the older pokemon games. Prevents the franchise from becoming abandonware and safeguards them from being sued by rom hack creators.

Why did you let it update if you didn't want it to?

Originally posted by Thomastronaut:

Why did you let it update if you didn't want it to?

the only way to avoid it updating is to commit a crime and pirate a steam cracked version of the game that doesn't need steam to launch. Or to always run steam in offline mode for the rest of your life and never buy any new games on it or anything.

Your mods are of little consequence to the developer, and there is no malice involved. When you understand this, your QOL will immediately improve and your chest pains will fade.

Originally posted by chakkman:

A. A company does updates - users complain that it "breaks mods", and should be banned.
B. A company doesn't do updates - users complain that it's "abandonware".

Now, please, stop whining. Updates are a good thing, especially for 11 year old games. The mod developers are responsible for updating their mods accordingly. It's the nature of software, which is subject to change.

Game companies should release their games, then start working on new games. Mods sell games. I bought Amnesia to play silly mods. I never wanted to do the actual game. Do you know Mojang for anything other than Minecraft? Do you know ReLogic for anything other than Terraria? Do you ever wonder what else they could have done? I don't know how we ended up in this infdev stagnation, but it's suboptimal.
If a game company can't make good games anymore, then they shutter to make room for those who can. Fallout: London has more soul than 76 ever will, and 76 is multiplayer!

Originally posted by Captain Cracksnort:

Originally posted by Thomastronaut:

Why did you let it update if you didn't want it to?

the only way to avoid it updating is to commit a crime and pirate a steam cracked version of the game that doesn't need steam to launch. Or to always run steam in offline mode for the rest of your life and never buy any new games on it or anything.

Using mods is on you. Beth has no obligation at all to make sure your outsource mods will work after a update.

However, you can use Creations mods ( many are free ) and odds are you will be fine with them not breaking your game.

Originally posted by Dindunuphen:

Originally posted by chakkman:

A. A company does updates - users complain that it "breaks mods", and should be banned.
B. A company doesn't do updates - users complain that it's "abandonware".

Now, please, stop whining. Updates are a good thing, especially for 11 year old games. The mod developers are responsible for updating their mods accordingly. It's the nature of software, which is subject to change.

Abandonware is the best type of software. It's the only type of software that can be legally downloaded for free and modified to our hearts content.

No, it can't. And, "abandonware" is not really a defined term, when everyone just decides what is abandonware and what isn't.

Don't drag or sully the actual Stop Killing Games name by misusing and misrepresenting it, OP.

This is anything BUT a 'dead game killed by a publisher so you can never ever play or buy it again'.

THAT is Stop Killing Games.

YOU? You need to Stop Letting Your Ego Get The Better Of Good Sense.

If you didn't want a game that updates when the publisher wants it to, you should buy it on GoG.

Originally posted by Captain Cracksnort:

Originally posted by Thomastronaut:

Why did you let it update if you didn't want it to?

the only way to avoid it updating is to commit a crime and pirate a steam cracked version of the game that doesn't need steam to launch. Or to always run steam in offline mode for the rest of your life and never buy any new games on it or anything.

OR....

You lock the Appmanifest file of the game, thus preventing STEAM from updating it, thus your game.

Nothing "illegal" about it.

Please stop talking out of your butt....

Originally posted by Captain Cracksnort:

Originally posted by chakkman:

A. A company does updates - users complain that it "breaks mods", and should be banned.
B. A company doesn't do updates - users complain that it's "abandonware".

Now, please, stop whining. Updates are a good thing, especially for 11 year old games. The mod developers are responsible for updating their mods accordingly. It's the nature of software, which is subject to change.

Running defence for microtransactions should also be punishable by being put in the stockade for a week.

Games have been able to update like this without breaking mods for years btw, its literally deliberate on Bethesda's part to alter the game's internal hexcode in such a way it breaks mods. Thats why F4SE is always updated within an hour of every update. Its such an easy fix its literally as simple as not pressing the "break all mods" button when coding the update.

Script extenders are extremely sensitive to any changes in executable files, no matter how minor, so no, none of this is deliberate. Moreover, if you've ever modded Minecraft, which breaks every mod on every update, you'll know how good we have it by comparison. You can grab a mod last updated in 2019 and have it just work.

u can turn off auto updates btw, one braincell thread

Originally posted by Equo:

Script extenders are extremely sensitive to any changes in executable files, no matter how minor, so no, none of this is deliberate. Moreover, if you've ever modded Minecraft, which breaks every mod on every update, you'll know how good we have it by comparison. You can grab a mod last updated in 2019 and have it just work.

^^

See also "but they're BAD and MEAN NO ONE DOES THIS!!!" ... I remember when Valve updated Half Life 2 to the Episode 2 engine.

Broke the file structure and ALL the mods for HL2. It was a very simple change, but no one knew about it until Gorpie started helping out figuring out which mods did or didn't need to have a simple ini type change in their file to tell it where the base game was.

People forget that base games do need to be spruced up sometimes. Particularly monsters like this one. Relying on mods for anything from bug fixes to bewbie bouncing is still not covered by your license to use the base game, and is always, and has always been, at your own risk. Mod makers know this, too. which is why it won't take but a bit to get f4se up and running again and those 'broken' mods will no longer be broken (because most weren't in the first place).

Originally posted by Naii Starwing:

Mods sell games.

That is a horrible pov.
I for one have never modded a game, unless you count the Skyrim and FO4 AE editions.